Cameyo

dbaker · Member

Cameyo with Eudora 7 for Windows

mule · Guru

Hello dbaker,

I do think that building a Cameyo package would be advantageous to your current method, which, if I understand correctly, was copying the files from a regular installation with no regard for what the installer wrote to the registry. A cameyo package would include all registry writes, both during the installation and during use.

I'm not a Eudora user myself, so I wouldn't be the best person to assist with importing your current data. Are you familiar with Eudora OSE? It has a means of importing, probably done by a Wizard.

I do recommend making and keeping a backup copy before doing anything. Good luck.

dbaker · Member

Thanks mule, I'll have to do some experimenting, including with Eudora OSE.

Anyone else have experience with importing Eudora data, files, folders, settings, filters, etc., into a Cameyo package?

Thanks all!

DB

Shawn · Member

@dbaker

I'd run the program then use cameyo main executable and do a update package this way any files created when testing the eudora would be added to the path and file tree..

We're talking about version 7.1?

I can get you the full tree of the actual files easy.. I'll just install it under sandboxie to find out what files are created and where.

Just give me a confirmation that it is version 7.1 and I'll post here the tree path where the files are going.

Shawn

dbaker · Member

Hi Shawn --

Cool! Yes, I am currently running Eudora 7.1.0.9 for Windows. It was Qualcomm's last paid offering.

Currently, the way I'm running it is this:

1. I formerly had it installed under Windows XP (for which it was designed to work easily). I had it installed such that all files (that I know of) were installed into C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora, including all data files. There's an option when you run the installer to install data in a separate place, but I opted to keep everything in one folder to make backups easier, which they certainly were under XP.

2. I had that Program Files folder backed up to an external drive when my XP-based computer's motherboard fried. At that point I finally bit the bullet and bought a PC with Windows 8.

3. Since I'd had problems with Eudora running under Windows 7 on a different PC, I thought Windows 8 might present the same problem, so I decided to test-run Eudora as a portable app from my externa USB hard drive. With a few exceptions, everything works pretty well. If you're ever interested in knowing the exeptions, I can get into that for you.

I hope this helps you advise me.

In advance, thank you!

DB

mule · Guru

Thanks, Shawn! It's good to see you around again. I hope you're doing okay.

Shawn · Member

@Mule

Way better since last we spoke.

@dbaker

So it's a build that was done on XP now your on Windows 8.. Considering I'm on XP I should be able to get you the paths of the files and struture to add to your build.

I'll download the build and install and run it and place a dummy e-mail account to activate the tables that need to be there.

I should have an update for you soon.

dbaker · Member

Shawn:

Thanks! Whenever you get to it is fine. Not an emergency.

Best,

DB

dbaker · Member

Hi Shawn -

Back in February (2013) I said it wasn't an "emergency", but I'd sure like to hear from you. Is it too much for me to request "sooner rather than later"? :)

Thanks,

DB

Date: Nov 30, 2013

Hi DB,

I am a long time user of Eudora and with a migration to a new laptop I realized I should try to make it a portable app on a flash drive. That could solve some problems for me using multiple machines.

I tried copying all of the Eudora files to the flash drive with the data in a separate place from the executable files to make backup easier. But more importantly I want to use a shortcut in the top level of the flash drive to make access easy. Since the drive can be different letters on different machines, I tried using relative paths in the shortcut, but that is not accepted. Did you use a shortcut? How did you get your portable app to install?

dbaker · Member

Hi gnuarm --

Frankly, I have not found an elegant solution to the problem of running Eudora 7 for Windows from a portable drive. I never heard back from Shawn, who was going to put it to a better test than I'm able.

Nonetheless, here's what I've done (keeping in mind that it has been about a year since I did this and I may be wrong about a couple of things:

1. Do not install Eudora with its defaults, i.e., to the C drive. Instead:

2. Install Eudora directly to your portable drive, including telling it to keep all the mail and settings in the programs folder on whatever your portable drive is. (This step is one thing that I'm not sure of. If Eudora does not allow you to install to an alternate drive, just let it install to its defaults, except that you should tell it to install mail files and settings into the Program Files folder.)

3. If you've already got a lot of Eudora email that you wish to preserve, you can copy all the mail files and folders manually to your portable drive.

4. Make a shortcut from the Eudora program file on your portable drive, and copy it to your desktop, or to wherever you want to execute it.

5. Click on the shortcut.

6. You will then get two error-message window-pop-ups from Eudora. One says that "C:Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora doesn't exist" (which it doesn't, but Eudora isn't smart enough to know this). The other error says something about not being able to install Eudora MAPI (which it can't in Windows 7 and above). Just click "OK" to each of these error messages.

7. Voila, you should have a working copy of Eudora on your portable drive.

Cautionary note: Don't try to change the MAPI settings in the Eudora options. It will give you nothing but grief; don't even click on the MAPI option.

Another cautionary note: Make lots of backups. Eudora can be buggy when run this way and sometimes you have to revert to an older copy, particularly of the settings file.

Good luck to you!

DB

Date: Dec 1, 2013

Hi DB, I was surprised to find your quick reply. Thanks for the advice. I may give this a try but right now I'm working on several spare machines, all of them old and ready for retirement... just like me, lol

I ordered a new laptop on Friday, but I got an email last night saying it was on hold because of the credit card verification. Seems I don't know the exact amount of my property tax payment which is one of the verification questions they asked and the only one I wasn't sure of.

I will get back to this in a couple of days. I'm on the road until Tuesday using webmail. When I get back to work on this I'll let you know what I find. I really love using Eudora. It is a real shame that they gave up on it as a product. The most often recommended alternative is Thunderbird and I'm just not so crazy about that program plus I find the support is pretty hit and miss. I'll have been using Eudora on some half dozen versions of windows over the last dozen years.

Date: Dec 1, 2013

BTW, I understand that under Windows 7 and I assume 8, if you have data files under the program files directory they are automagically moved to a special directory under "appdata" in the user's directory while hiding this fact from the app. All referenced to the data files in the program files installed directory are rerouted to this special directory transparently.

Just thought I'd throw that out in case it is news to you.

dbaker · Member

Hi -

Yes, I know about this, and it is the main reason to do your best to avoid installing Eudora on your primary drive and then manually moving it, i.e., those appdata files/folders still remain behind. To the best of my knowledge, if you're able to avoid installing Eudora ever on your primary drive, and only install it on your portable drive, those files/folders won't appear in the appdata folder.

Good luck!

DB

Date: Dec 4, 2013

I haven't been able to get anything to work the way it should. So I've decided to drop back to a simpler problem for the short term. I have a new computer and I need to get email working. I installed Eudora into a new directory and copied all the old data files from the old hard drive to the new one in the new data directory. Eudora seems to be finding the directory, but it doesn't seem to know it is the paid edition and it doesn't find any of my email account setups (personalities). It does find my emails and signatures.

What could I be doing wrong? Do I need to go through the registration process after I install it?

Since the data files will be under a different directory in Win8 compared to where they were under Vista my understanding is that the old attachments won't be accessible from within Eudora. I suppose I can live with that however.

dbaker · Member

Sorry, I'm out of my depth on these questions. Sorry, but I have no idea how to help. Good luck! --DB

Date: Dec 12, 2013

I tried it again starting from scratch making sure I created all the same directories under Win8 that I had been using under Vista. That worked. I probably was missing some step before. I may still try to install it portable on a flash drive, but there is one issue with that I'm not crazy about. That is security and protection from damage. I would keep the flash drive backed up on a network drive, but if it were lost I'd hate to have all that info available to anyone who happens to find it. Also, I hate using a laptop with flash drives or even USB cables sticking out of the ports. USB ports are fragile little things with the connector held to the circuit board with a tiny dab of solder. One stiff bump and the USB connector is ripped off. Rather than put these ports near the back of the machine they put them near the front where they are more in the way and more likely to be broken.

I may try to deal with the physical issues by setting up a network file server and plugging the flash drive into that. This would also allow me to use a consistent drive designator which I know can be done with a network drive. Just pick an unlikely to be used letter, like R or T and tell the system to always use that letter. Then install the software on the drive when mounted that way. I think this should work pretty well. I'll let you know.